K and R are probably the interviewers, and V, yes that must be Ville. "
K: First... when did you decide to become a musician?
V: Em...with seven. ...So ...I saw some...some live bootleg video of Kiss ... and I saw Gene Simmons... blood and fire ... that's the reason.
K: And ... em ... was it an act of rebellion for you, did your parents have other plans (with you) -
V: (No, no) - actually not. They supported me and they still do it...they have always done this. ... I just wanted to have that blood and that fire... I started playing the bass but... it never happened. I thought that ... eventually I would ... it would come, you know, naturally, I mean that ... *laughs* I've been playing two and a half years bass and some ...at-at some - big blood and fire will just come ... out of my mouth... it never happened, you know.
K: Em... I know that ..emm... you've played Jazz, Fusion, that stuff on bass and (all that) -
V: (Yeah) - I've been playing all kind of stuff from ... Jazz to Grindcore... and other...
K: And, ah, so why do you play Rock'n'Roll now? *laughs*
V: Mmmm ... more drugs and more girls and more, you know, party ...you know...ah *K laughs* ... Jazz is- and classical is that ... boring ... usually, if you, for example, want to be a ... good classical musician... you don't know how to improvise, you don't know how to write your own song... it's very cold... and ... I like to- to create, to compose ... and all the other stuff it's - it ... comes along with the Rock'n'Roll business, you know, ... the visual style and and ... the production side and all that.
K: So basically you're roots are in Rock'n'Roll.
V: Mm... basically, yeah.
K: I remember ... some interview on TV, with Niels ...(em ) -
V: (Yeah.) -
K: You were talking about the 80's-Metal and all that stuff and so these are your roots ...or is it (more the Gothic stuff)
V: (Yeah) - yeah, because I grew up when I was ... ah... I'm 22 at the moment, so ... so ... em, I grew up with bands of the 80s...Kiss and Bon Jovi, and Mötley Crüe and WASP and (Twisted Sister) -
R: (Europe) *laughs*
V: No, oh no, no that was a bit too cheesy for me ...but... * K laugh * R: Malmsteen
V: And Judas Priest and Iron Maiden and all that stuff... so...
K: Mm... I've collected some interviews... in some of that stuff it’s mentioned that you play the keyboard, guitar, drums, bass and that -
V: I'm very shitty at most of them.
K: You actually -
V: - But I do-do know how to play them. I... I've been playing... bass guitar for ... about 14 years ...and-mm ...15, actually, or 16 -15, and ...and... and drums for about ... 8 or 9 years, so I've been playing them a lot- and I- I used to play... bass and the drums for several bands.
...But this is the first time now that I'm singing... so ... the greatest adven- adventure for me...
K: But you actually found the band.
V: Mmm.
K: And... you've always played your own stuff?
V: Mmm actually... that is actually the first band I'm writing songs for. ... I've never done that... before.... I just... did what... someone ??? said (you know... I was a slave actually)
R: (What was) the reason for making HIM?
V: The reason was to ... create a good band, you know. ... Playing ... I had... no... 14 or 15 I - at the time - I had a ...mm... ah ...OK, what's it - about 10 bands at the same time so I had -a- 10 rehearsals in a week and ...mm... for 10 different ... bands, you know ... on Monday playing from 5 to 7, you know, Jazz, and from- from 9 to 11, you know ...Grindcore *R laughs* ... and it was like that, and I... and I felt bored with that, and I - and I ... wanted to do something seriously because you... spend ... spend a lot of time, you know, if you want to make ...ah... that rocks, that works...
K: But somehow...mm... sometimes I ge-have the impression that...ahm... the rest of the band HIM is a little bit in the background, you know, (everything is focused on... the vocalist, on you, so...)
V: (Yeah, they've always... mm...) mm .. that's a very very usual that-that ...the one who writes the songs or... who is actually the mastermind behind them... behind the band; it's usually always the vocalist ... who's to .... sent forward...the other guys have always hated that stuff, you know. They don't like to give interviews or ... they don't like to be in photographs and all that stuff. And they don't want to write songs.
R: You had the program ready before you ... mm... searched for the musicians?
V: No, actually we were...mm ... a bit more democratic when we started the whole band, so, when we- when we- when we all wrote songs. And somehow, you know, they ... they got their girlfriends or ... or whatever...they got all that, and I'm still, you know... *phew*... still a bit, you know, angry ... about them, yeah....about the... the... for example our guitar player. He is very talented as a songwriter but...-
K: - Mikka Lindström... or...?
V: Uh?
K: Mikka Lindström?
V: Yeah, yeah. ..."Linde".... and.... ah... *V, K laugh*;... and, ah... and, ah... he likes to spend his time with his girlfriend, you know. And I always...find that very ....(unsatisfactory...)
R: (Our bass player) went away... three months ago ... because of a girl...
V: Yeah, I think the first thing you have to learn when you form a rock band or start playing in a rock band....
*short intermezzo: lighting cigarettes*
V: Yeah, the first rule is when you start a rock band, you know... that ...never... a woman should, you know, come between us... forget that. That takes a lot of energy away...and... to....
K: Your keyboarder dropped out just ...recently, that's what I heard... so...
V: Hm?
K: Antte dropped out of the band?
V: Yeah... eh... he was more into... into money... than rock... most of all. Yeah. We-we've had - em - several problems with him from the start but... we've found another...keyboarder...so ...we ??? again
K: Is he just playing on the tour or... will he become a new band-member?
V: Uh...hopefully he will. He's a nice guy and young and... has lots of time to-to just concentrate on the music, and that's very important. ... hopefully ...
R: And if not you can take another guitarist *laughs*
V: Yeah, actually... we're going to take a second guitar player as well actually...in the near future... the new songs ...they... demand... you know...so...
K: Uh... how would you define underground or subculture?
V: Nah - not the hard questions starting yet.... <clears throat> I hate being intellectual, you know. That's not (a part of...Rock'n'Roll)
K: (Not intellectual...)
V: Intellectual...there is a nice-nice story about Gene Simmons that he always loved ... reading, you know, books ... love diary, architecture, all that... cultural stuff, you know, he loved to read big books about that but in the 70s he-he thought that-that it's not Rock'n'Roll to read that so he never re-read anything but comics in the- in the ... public...(he always)
R: (They made) - made comics some time ago...
V: Yeah, mm...mm... well, mm.. mm... subculture... I've never been that... (I hate...)
K: (Or underground...)
V: I hate ... I hate the w-word ...culture... And...em... for example in Finland, you know... that sounds too intellectual... in Finland, you know... there's not... there's never been a real underground scene in ...anything. Because ??? community, and all students, artists or whatever... they are so close to each other that... there... there is not... you know... a departure from other people, you know.
K: So there's no strict separation between (the Punk scene and whatever...)
V: (No...no, no... no)... there's never been that. There's some Ha- Ha- Hardcore scene, you know... eh, eh, but... I don't know.... teenagers from outside of Helsinki or whatever but the real music-ah, you know, whether you play Jazz or Metal or whatever....I, you know, I- I join them all. Partly because I've been playing so many years ....in so many. different kinds of musical styles in the... past...I...it's probably why I think... I cannot see a ...a separation ....so.. strict... as it might be somewhere else. It's - it's very easy and it's very very good in that way not to have any scenes because then you don't have any competition - which is supporting, you know,... each other and that's the best way... to...
R: Here most of the bands are very keen on competition...
V: Uhmm, Uhmm...
K: Yeah... even some of our friends... we are the Metalheads and they are.. Hardcore...you know...
V: Yeah... we don't have- we don't have- we never had that kind of thing... you know...uhm... for example Helsinki, where I live, it's...a small.. small town.. the whole city.. to... you have... to... we have only ... a couple of, for example, rock bars where people hang out ... and there is all in one which is the ... centre-point ... of everything and they have every-ah...small concert halls within...like.. which play Black Metal or... and the other plays more and more mixed things and others... others are more Gothic and there's actually a DJ there... from time to time to play Gothic stuff.... and it's very very... you know... joined... that... you don't ...I don't-I've never had the actual feeling that there is separating... now those are my Hardcore... you know... friends, and they stick to their own thing, and there are the Black Metal ... guys, well... you know...
K: So I can't ask my next question - where would you place the band - in the Gothic scene or...
V: Well... you know I hate that categorizing stuff because... ah...of course you have to categorize, this is very natural... ah, ah... we are that kind of ... I- what I consider to be Rock'n'Roll with Pop elements and with Goth elements and with Metal el-elements ...and with... whatever elements, you know...it's...mm.... there's usually bands that-th-they b-becomes...a too heavy burden to carry for a group...for example...eh for bands like...ah Moonspell....ah... they started as a.. Black Metal Death Metal Doom Metal Gothic Metal whatever and... then they formed into that Type-O-Negative-stuff and the latest now is completely a Pop record but they still carry the burden of being... ah.. so fucking dark, you know...whatever...d-d-Dark Wave...ah... blablabla... it's-it's too hard...(especially...)
R: (The same with) Paradise Lost or (My Dying Bride...)
V: (Yeah yes ...for example... definitely)...Yeah exactly with the-with the Paradise Lost - they have changed so much, you know... it's-it's completely a Pop-band nowadays and...ah...they changed and they do have to carry that burden ... for the rest of their career, I'm quite sure ...ah mm... which ...mm... that's the point why I don't want to consider my band to be a...mm...for example Gothic because in Finland you have a very small Gothic scene which is very strict in that- in that way, you know, when- when people think about a Gothic scene it's like all these...yeah... lots of powder and black lipstick... and-ah...and-ah... *R laughs, V clears throat&*usually they are categorizing this, you know, so strict and drastic... that-that if some-somebody....would-would.... say in the-in the public ...ah...that we are Gothic I think nobody would show up at our gig ...we were marked as strictly Gothic band. We use the term Love Metal.
K: That was my next question *laughs*...so....ahm... how would you define that...well, I-I've read some stuff at ..ah... at your website and...ah...could you...ah.. be more specific...mm...the musical version of the "Gone With The Wind"-poster or so..
V: *laughs* That's the film.... aaah... more specific, actually...ah... I said that earlier, you know... we make Rock'n'Roll with Pop and Rock and Metal elements, yeah... it's very hard mm... ah... it's easier for somebody outside... from the outside to describe the music because I cannot... I just wanted to- when I formed the band I just wanted to write music very...ah... very... ahmm... melodic melancholic and ah... still very hard-rocking... ah... AC/DC meets the... aaaaaahhh...
R: London Philharmonic Orchestra *R, K laugh*
V: Whatever, you know *laughs*
R: Annemarie Mutter *laughs*
K: Anne Sophie Mutter... ahmm...
V: I just use that term because...ahm...the...ah.. there's so big contrast between the... where is love and the Metal, you know... and stuck together it describes very well the....the-the... love mixed with ???
R: It's very untypical for Rock'n'Roll...that love....(style-stuff.).
K: (Yeah, yeah) that's my next question... you play around with the classical features of ... well...
R: In general... ah... Kiss <sings> Love hurts you baby... *laughs*
K: So...
V: Mm...but always much more sentimental, I have always considered myself to be an... emotional model of Gene Simmons, you know *laughs*
R: Always blood and tears mixed *R, K laugh*
V: Probably more in a-in a...you know, symbolical way... ah...
K: Mm...so... well *clears throat* do you consciously play around with the classical Metal clichés like 666 and ... heartagram instead of pentagram...
V: Mmmm.... I like the heart so much, you know...mm... *laughs*
K: Did you create it?
V: Yeah yeah... yeah, yeah I did, I did actually yeah ... .... it's a symbol, it doesn't mean ... anything
K: But you have to be aware of being confronted with, you know, being a satanistic band...
V: Yeah... but-but...mmm.... for example.... we have some problems, the biggest problem was definitely in Finland...in...in-ah...in summer - last summer there was one of the biggest Rock Festivals with Dimmu Borgir, a Black Metal band, Black Sabbath and we played there and ... other bands as well ... but... there was tha-that...some...threat from some Black Metal fans that they are going to burn a church on the-on that same day because it was the sixth -ah- d-day of June ... and-ah....*K laughs* and-ah.... three times 666 is 1998, so... laughs*here was some hassle with that and-ah and-ah... they blamed us... the church... we-we three, Black Sabbath, Dimmu Borgir and... us being the influence for their kids... and-ah and actually nothing happens... they were religious, you know, fanatics and they...before the show they came on th- on our stage somehow, you know, through the security and ....blessed the stage, you know.. with prayers or whatever... we laughed our asses off because of that *R laughs*
K: I can imagine that *V laughs*
V: But... that's how it's...been in Finland, you know...we had no problems here... and-ah...and that 666-thing is..ah... is coming... mm-more open, you know and-ah actually... we are not going to use that symbol ...in the next album... I guess so idiotic fans won't tune into that, you know, thinking that...we really have something to do with that... satanism-stuff.. and I think it's completely childish ??? satanists ??? too many christians ???... we are wise enough to... to be out of that whole problem
R: Was it your idea to use such clichés for your marketing or something?
V: Ah... I don't know how to use that for the market...
R: Or if you only want ah... to make .. good songs..
V: Ah...one point was definitely to provoke.... and ah... one-one was to ...mm... have the album title ..."The Greatest Lovesongs Vol. 666", you know. It's the same thing as with the Love Metal, you know... to have contrasts... and, you know, to make it a little bit more interesting... and one reason was to have that Iron Maiden, you know, Rock'n'Roll ..like bands like Monster Magnet, you know that band?
K: (Yeah I know...)
V: (You know that?) You know... that Rock'n'Roll, Motörhead, AC/DC... yeah.... and-ah...and-ah to have that-that... 777-666-contrast on the lyrics as well... it’s defining the more pure and the- and the more innocent side of ...both loving feelings...and-and the more carnal and the more dark... you know... aspects of the whole same thing, that was the point...so it has lots of different... you know.... reasons to be in there...
K: One good thing-
V: And it feels so fucking good to be able to six-six-six *R, K, V laugh*
K: One keyword marketing... ahmm...
R: Have you ever thought ...ah. making a song number 666 on your ... on your CD like-
K: (They did, they did)
V: (Actually we did ... actually we did)
K: There is one hidden track 66
V: The..??? the..yeah, the whole...the whole...length of the album is 66... minutes and 6 seconds...
K: You scared me to death with that track... I went to see what's wrong with my stereo..that song suddenly...*R laughs*
V: And because there are no vinyls anymore you cannot do those hidden, you know, messages... backwards.. or forwards, you know... we had to have some...
R: Like Queen did - smoking Marihuana is fun *laughs*
K: The whole backward masking thing is all bullshit *R laughs*I did a paper on that and ... you know... it's just rumour, no research, (nothing)
V: (Yeah it's true) actually... we've been looking for that as well, you know ... listening and all that and we were like ...where are the hidden messages there?
R: She worked half a year for a -a paper for the U-University and and the the conclusion was that it's all bullshit because there is a big fuzz about nothing *laughs*
K: Of course I had to express it in more academic terms...
V: Yeah *R, K, V laugh*
K: Ah... well.... keyword marketing... somehow I have the impression that... the whole PR-thing is like... you a the more sinister version of the Backstreet Boys and the girls screaming *imitates fan-shrieks* and ... I hope it's not goin-going to be like that... tonight... but ...ah... are you... can you identify with that ... or...is there something... that disturbs you?
V: No actually ...ahm... ah... of course there are lots of things that disturb me in the way that we are presented....ah...but....I consider our music to be totally mainstream and-and I don't exclude...am... people out of that. It's all the same, you know, if there is a...seven year old girl... thinking that we are the heavy version of the Backstreet Boys and and really loves that record... it's all the same...than to...compared like ah... for...a 26-year-old, you know, Black Metal fan.. it's all the same it's all the same, you know... we are not sexistic in any way *R laughs*
K: So your audience is...mixed up.
V: It has been, yeah. It differs from place to place but...but...
K: Is it much different in Finland?
V: No actually ...actually... it's quite- quite the same ...and-ah... quite the ...similar things happened in- in for example in Germany.. in Berlin it was totally mixed up and there were lots of people... completely like the normal ...Pop-audience and ...for example in some other places there were completely only male and only the Heavy Metal...ah..crowd... and-a...and it's been different from place to place... in the same way as-as in Finland.
K: And how was it yesterday in Vienna?
V: Mmmm......mmmmm.... *K, R laugh&*
V *to E*: How was it yesterday? *laughs*
E: Good
K: (Okay) *laughs*
V: (More) ... more girls than on the German dates.
K: Ahm?
E: Yeah.
K: Oh... I'm surprised *R, K,V laugh*
K: Alright... ahmm.... who made the choice to... promote the video "Wicked Game"I know there is some other video out I think it's... ah...
V: "When Love And Death..." yeah.. it came out ...earlier because the record was released in Finland the year before... we released the video with the single...???
*computer affects recording - interruption for check*
V: Where were we?
K: Ahm... about Finland, "Wicked Game" and all that...
V: Ah... yes. So... we-we...the first EP was in 96 and "Wicked Game" was released as a single then, it worked out in Finland very well but but there was no ...not a need for a video so we only released that. And-ah... and then when we made the album that was released in 97...about... exactly a year ago, you know, then there was a ... you know, a demand for another video, and we didn't want to make "Wicked Game"for a second time so... we released that "When Love And Death Embrace" and it became actually a lot bigger hit...
*computer affects recording, interruption for check and battery change*
K: So ...the decision to... put the video on heavy rotation... was it the band's decision or...
V: Mm... no, it wasn't the band's decision but it was a very natural one... because of course it's the most commercial ...song and it's very easy to get on rotation because it. . because it's a cover version ... and...mm... for a lot of people it's been a successful one, you know, not raping the original but... rather... imitating it ...and-ah and-ah....mm...mm...mm.... but... ah...the same thing like... what Marilyn Manson did with the..."Sweet Things Are Made Of This"... it's a much more quicker way.
K: So...for newcomer bands to become known to a bigger audience...
V: Mmm.
K: So...*clears throat* ahm...is there... a problem with die-hard-fans like ... as soon as a band has commercial success it will lose the credib-credibility?
V: Things like that have happened in Finland but I don't care... because they are a bunch of idiots ???... thinking that-ah... that popularity makes music bad ...ridiculous, you know... no... no way.... They can listen to that, you know, vacuum cleaner sounding original Black Metal if they want for the rest of their life but ...actually I don't care. When you - when you ... lose some you-you win some at the same time....they are not that die-hard if they drop us.
K: Ehm... some question about the band-name and the bad lover-story... because... ah...I have collected some stuff and... ah... I found two different versions... one was more like that... well... if you're drinking too much... and then... okay... (and the other...)
V: (No that's some)- that's some interviewer's version... actually- I've never-
K: - and the other version was... the other version was that ...you fall in love too easily and all that... so.. did you actually say that or is it (an interpretation)-
V: (I didn't say that) I've always... the only thing I've always said is that... I had so bad reputation with the ladies...that... and that actually doesnt even... that's not the truth about the name... not totally because-because there is not a real story it's just a name, you know ...????? ... it sounded cool at that time and had that Black Sabbath clang, you know, into it, and ... and very small stories which are not important now...it was then but...there is nothing very... very serious or important behind that name... it's just a name and HIM does much much better the job and actually... actually it's much more fun because ... mmm... there was a ...gay porno magazine in the 70's or 60's called HIM in Germany...it started then out... and there is ...ah...company that makes...ah...wedding dresses for transvestites *R, K laugh* ... it's called HIM as well...*V laughs* it's kind of fun as well... and it's very easy to pronounce and... and one good thing about the short version is that...mm...unlike the longer...it doesn't... you know... it doesn't tell the the wide audience or the reader of a magazine - it doesn't tell - tell that... what kind of music we're playing. So we can do... in a 10 years I can do, you know, Tekkno albums under the same name...so it's not that kind of a burden name, you know PARRADISE LOST...or....MOONSPELLL, *K laughs* you know that.. that...that's a very neutral name... very easy...
K: So this was just a matter of interpretation of different journalists (using the same story)
V: (Yeah) very shitty ones that-that...mm...came up with that that kind of stuff, you know *laughs* I've be-been talking lots of bullshit to ....journalists and-ah... when there's not a real interesting story behind that you have to make-make one up, you know. They never know the truth, you know... actually...do.. does does anybody know that... have I really been working in a porno shop or not...
K: No...
V: No that's the point... you can do whatever you really like. But that was exactly the truth...*E leaves the room* ..and that's the p-
K: Now that he's gone - is there any censorship...ah... from the management or promoter saying "don't say that please don't say that"...
V: No there's never been a thing like that. First, you know...our- our.. promoter in ... ah...Finland...she's ...ah...one of the best there...ahmmmaah.. who actually helped me a lot...to talk bullshit ... during interviews because...when I first started it was like, you know... just telling facts. And facts are usually very boring. And-a... you have to... you know...
K: Make up some (stuff)-
V: (Make up some) and... you know, just to improvise... because people are not interested how long we’ve been together...but they are rather interested how long penises we've got. That’s usually ... usually the point... that's the reason you have to make up all those paste stories - I'm not behind them all... but-ah... I don't have anything against it. Now the master of that thing is only ... Marilyn Manson. I hate his music but I like the image and I like his statements... he's talking completely bullshit all the time, you know. *E comes back* Some-some average American kids are taking that completely seriously and some are not, you know, I just consider it to be... great entertainment. And I think (that's the way it should be)
R: (I think) he is the only one who is able to... cover himself... *K laughs* 26 times in one hour...*V laughs*...and he.. and he is very popular... for a couple of kids...
*;E interrupts - there's another interview, we shall round it up*
K: Ah... okay...mm... do you think it's even possible...to...mm... work against the laws of the industry, like Pearl Jam tried so...
V: No, it's not. You have to go along with it, you know... and try to change it, you know... very small ...small things at a time, that's the only way out...and the industry is too ...big... no, I don't want to actually change anything because .... what's wrong with that, you know?
K: Aren't you afraid of being...used...
V: No
K: Or ending like... Jim Morrison...(that...ah..)
V: (Mmm) ... let's see what happens, you know. I don't have any problems with that either... it's... ah... it's just... the point is that I feel very lucky to be able to do what I want to do. That's very... rare for...people nowadays... It's not all about the music it's about the whole... forming and-ah...whatever...creating the cover artwork for CD's or ... being involved with videos...blablabla... it's such a...it's-ah...big thing for me, you know... I'm not... I haven't been abused...in...in-in that bad way...yet. Yeah... I surely know that I have to....well, let's see what happens, you never know *laughs*
K: Ahm... do you think a web-site is very important for...promoting a band?
V: I don't know because I don't know much about it. I've only seen it twice so... I don't know the situation outside of Finland with the Internet... because in Finland it's the.... we are the quickest who adopt ... those modern technology things, I think -am- every-every....yeah... half of the population they have... you know...cellular telephones, and-ah and-ah... I think they have the most of the... most Internet-connections in the world, in Finland, so I actually I’m not sure how many does have that stuff in ??? here...
K: Most people have...
V: Most people have - so it's getting big-bigger all the time... no I'm counting on Commodore 64... playing that brutal ???? stuff...because... that's me, that's completely retro and nostalgic, you know.
K: You don't check your web-site from time to time?
V: Mm...ah.. when I... when I visit my little brother... or.. basically he has an Internet connection and a ??? as well... I try to check that one up, yeah....but hopefully it will get the lot better, you know, I'm not satisfied with it, it's so... well...
K: Aren't you tempted to log in with a different name...and...
V: We've done that. We've done that all the (time).
K: Jesse?
V: Uh?
K: Jesse?
V: Actually...he's ah... I've been writing under the name of Jesse as well but he is my little brother....his name is Jesse...and-ah...there are some other names as well ... actually that we've been using and we've been given ...ah...m...the other guys... our bass player is one and our guitar player is one.. and we have all different names... and all different roles. Somebody....Jesse-Jesse hates HIM completely and there are a couple of...(yeah)
K: (I suspected) that Jesse is somebody of the band, actually....
V: Because it was the first day when when the whole website was open...I just logged in and motherfucked something completely shitty, you know ...*laughs*
K: Yeah... sometimes we *clears throat*... feel tempted to ... leave some messages or so..
V: *laughs* Yeah... probably you could do *laughs*... and our guitar player is a very very very big and fanatic fan of HIM.... that's his role, you know... and... I don't know... his name ... is probably... Penna or somewhat...and..ah...
*;some exchange on Finnish vocabulary K learned via HIM website*
K: Am...well... alright.... so ...my last question... are you going to use... ah... signed dildos as your new merchandising product?
V: No, actually (because a band called)
K: *laughs* (That was a joke)
V: Actually a band called Pink Cream 69... they have done that
K: Ah... and I think...ah...what's the name ah... ah... something with "Sister"....had a dildo on the cover... actually...ah... *laughs* (that was a joke)
V: (No actually) the dildo thing that's completely a German thing ... in Finland they have never used ... that...porno stuff in the media. I have always just-ah... said a couple of times but... somehow the German people are much more into that porno-industry ... or what, Enrico? *laughs, K joins*
K: I've seen that on TV ... okay I had to laugh but... then it was a bit... hard to take, you know...
V: Mm-mm... that's true as well and-ah...and-ah.. I actually... I don't like the... fact that it's been a... that big... the dildo thing, you know... and ah... in the show, you know, because ... *clears throat* because we ...mm... that's ...that was my ..m... job... selling so...so-lots of different intimate stuff to lots of-lots of people, you know... ah... I don't think that...well... ah... I do-I don't understand what's so fucking interesting about it...you know... (if there was a)...
K: (But you ... you) could do that... selling condoms with the band logo on...
V: Type-O-Negative and Dimmu Borgir have used that...
K: Really?
V: Not-not on the condom but on the packages... Type O-they have the-the...green...(you know, the logo...yeah)
K: (I didn't know that)
V: And...I-I think it was only a promotional stuff... you know, some... band-photo and "Love You To Death"... on that *K laughs* and... Dimmu Borgir had-had...ah... with a... German Gothic Magazine "Sonic CD's" some...some deal with them... ah... it was like...ah....like "The Taste Of Sin" ... and it was black... the condom, and it had the artwork on it... of the latest EP they made... so... much Dimmu Borgir...we're actually not that-we are...not that straightforwardly sexual, we are much more...you know... much more romantic that that.
K: But...you know... but that Kamikaze-thing was kind of...well...it was fun but...
V: (Mm...mm...)
K: (But) *clears throat* ...German humor... okay *K, V laugh*...alright
V: That was it?... thanx-
source: Heartagram Club Belgium